'No one does doom like Neal Shusterman.' - Kirkus Reviews (starred review) 'The Shustermans challenge readers.' - School Library Journal (starred review) 'The palpable desperation that pervades the plot.feels true, giving it a chilling air of inevitability.' - Publishers Weekly (starred review) Once the testimony happened, I’m sure he’s trying to shape the narrative as best he can.'The authors do not hold back.' - Booklist (starred review) So he’s not behaving like a guy who’s like, cool with Pence’s testimony. He went to, this week, Jen, to the US Court of Appeals, our second highest court, to try and block Pence from testifying. I mean, the, in Donald Trump is someone who’s always tried to intimidate witnesses, dangle pardons in front of them, all sorts of things to try and get them to stop telling the truth.

NEAL KATYAL: That’s exactly how it sounds to me. JEN PSAKI: I have a lot of confidence in him. But eh… I have a lot of confidence in him. President, what do you think of Mike Pence testifying today? So NBC’s Jonathan Allen caught up with former President Trump right after we learned of Pence’s testimony. And then, of course, there’s the Mar a Lago probe, which is separate. So I think we’re really talking about toward the end of this January 6th probe. And you don’t bring targets necessarily into the grand jury. There are other people like John Eastman and others who are probably asserting attorney client privilege or may be the targets. I think Pence is kind of the last person. JEN PSAKI: Do you think there’s additional big fish that could come here after Pence? And so I do think what that means is that we are going to see some movement from Jack Smith officially on these things in the next couple of weeks. I mean, maybe you can if there’s new facts that emerge, but you really want to try and do that to button everything up. NEAL KATYAL: At the end, because you can’t really bring him in again. JEN PSAKI: The biggest fish in at the end.

You got one shot and one opportunity and you bring. Beyond that, I don’t think we can say too much, except that it does say something about Jack Smith’s timing, because if you’re a prosecutor and you’re thinking of bringing in the former vice president, as I say, that’s a big deal.

NEAL KATYAL: Well, I do think it means that he that Jack Smith, the prosecutor, was going really slowly day by day. What is the significance about the length of time? JEN PSAKI: Pence was there for more than 5 hours, more than seven, some reports have said. On Sunday’s edition of MSNBC’s Inside With Jen Psaki, Psaki and MSNBC legal analyst Neal Katyal talked about the importance of Pence’s testimony, and agreed Trump’s comments were intended as “intimidation”:

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